Tonight in Kenyon — Zip Rail
July 31st, 2014
Today was the Zip Rail meeting at the Kenyon High School, and it was PACKED. I printed up 80 flyers, but ran out and could have handed out another 80. WOW! It’s great to see people so interested.
I’ve been learning about this project, and it takes some digging to get information. My goal is to encourage people to ask questions, and where there’s the opportunity, to file comments. In this case, we have until August 6, 2014, to send comments in for scoping on the “Tier 1” EIS. This means that we should tell them what all we think should be covered in the environmental review, and send the comments to:
Comments due by August 6, 2014. Send comments to:
info@goziprail.org or
MN DOT Passenger Rail Office ATTN: Zip Rail 395 John Ireland Boulevard, MS 470 St. Paul, MN 55155
What I’ve found is that it’s hard to find anything. Start looking, and what do you find? Zip! The best information source is the Midwest High Speed Rail Association, and to look at their “Studies/White Papers” page. I’m most interested in “Midwest” “HSR” (high speed rail) and “Economics,” and HERE IS THE RESULT for that.
Here is my favorite for basic information, it’s got some basic cost estimates, particularly on p. 105 of 151, for the Metro – Chicago route, take a quarter of that and it’s a good starting ballpark figure, just over $7 billion (the number I hear being thrown around is $1 billion, and no way, no how, so just pay no attention and do some digging):
And some others:
And remember, here is from the Minnesota Zip Rail site, their documents, sparse, but this is what we have:
| Title | Document Type | Date | Format | File Size | |
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| Zip Rail Open House Flyer | Public Meeting Materials | Jul 16, 2014 | 132 KB | ||
| Newsletter – July 2014 | Newsletters | Jul 07, 2014 | 885 KB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No. 4 | Other | Jul 07, 2014 | 5 MB | ||
| Zip Rail Scoping Package | Reports | Jul 07, 2014 | 7 MB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No.3 | Reports | Oct 17, 2013 | 3 MB | ||
| Draft Purpose and Need Statement | Reports | Oct 07, 2013 | 634 KB | ||
| Public Involvement Plan | Reports | Jun 01, 2013 | 4 MB | ||
| Notice of Intent | Reports | May 13, 2013 | 28 KB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No.2 | Reports | Apr 04, 2013 | 1 MB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No.1 | Reports | Feb 28, 2013 | 1 MB | ||
Zip Rail has zip to declare about many issues!
July 29th, 2014
Trying to figure out what kind of duck this quacks like!
In STrib: Suburbs skeptical of speedy Zip Rail
I get nervous where there’s something big proposed, but not much in the way of info. I do care who owns and will own the project, where the money’s coming from (more massive subsidies of Rochester/Mayo?), potential isolation of people suddenly blocked off from their access roads, and no stops along the way so affected communities receive no benefit. I think I’d prefer light rail, but ??? Need to know more.
The format of these meetings prevents you from asking important questions, speaking your mind, and making comments publicly so that we can share information and questions. Public opinion is silenced. This is a NEPA process, MN EQB noticed, and should have a formal public hearing.
Comments due by August 6, 2014. Send comments to:
info@goziprail.org or
MN DOT Passenger Rail Office ATTN: Zip Rail 395 John Ireland Boulevard, MS 470 St. Paul, MN 55155
Note there is an EXISTING COMMUTER BUS SYSTEM, serving many locations, which a “Zip Rail” would not. Zip Rail would only serve 2-3 locations in the Metro.
What I do see is they’re trying hard to line everything up, here’s from a meeting with Secretary Ray La Hood (just to L of flag):
Now to start, full disclosure, I don’t really have a dog in this fight, and don’t know much about it, so I’ve started looking because this week are the scoping meetings on “Round 1” of the environmental review. Tonight was Rochester:
Rochester
Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Rochester Community and Technical CollegeInver Grove Heights
Wednesday, July 30, 2014
Inver Grove Community Center
Hey, Chuck Michael, long time since the Mesaba Project!!!
I’ve been hearing a lot about the “Zip Rail” through southern Minnesota, between the Metro and Rochester. But when I look, I don’t see much. This was selected as part of a “Midwest Corridor linking Chicago, IL with Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN, Detroit, MI, St. Louis, MO, Indianapolis, IN, and the Quad Cities, IL/IA.” We know our friend Scott Walker tanked it in Wisconsin, but Walker is not a permanent fixture so that could change.
My gut says that it’d be a lot easier to justify a Metro – Chicago train than Metro – Rochester. Maybe it’s a step, but ??? As a stand-alone, it’s hard to get worked up about, considering what I imagine the impacts would be.
The most detailed report I’ve found so far is:
This is from Midwest High Speed Rail Assn. There’s a lot on this site, like a Minnesota projects page. One I didn’t know about, the Red Rock Corridor, from Hastings to St. Paul (which may have switched to a pus project).
Here’s the official Minnesota Zip Rail site, and there’s not as much: www.goziprail.org
Here’s their “documents” page thus far for the Zip Line:
| Title | Document Type | Date | Format | File Size | |
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| Zip Rail Open House Flyer | Public Meeting Materials | Jul 16, 2014 | 132 KB | ||
| Newsletter – July 2014 | Newsletters | Jul 07, 2014 | 885 KB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No. 4 | Other | Jul 07, 2014 | 5 MB | ||
| Zip Rail Scoping Package | Reports | Jul 07, 2014 | 7 MB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No.3 | Reports | Oct 17, 2013 | 3 MB | ||
| Draft Purpose and Need Statement | Reports | Oct 07, 2013 | 634 KB | ||
| Public Involvement Plan | Reports | Jun 01, 2013 | 4 MB | ||
| Notice of Intent | Reports | May 13, 2013 | 28 KB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No.2 | Reports | Apr 04, 2013 | 1 MB | ||
| Technical Advisory Committee Meeting No.1 | Reports | Feb 28, 2013 | 1 MB | ||
There’s some reading to do. But there are a few questions that are jumping out at me:
- Ridership numbers – was the modeling done pre-economic crash?
- What’s the ridership demographics?
- What’s the cost – Alan said to figure $100 million/mile — is that accurate?
- Who benefits from this, geographically, and specifically (is this for Mayo? I have a hard time imagining sick people on the train. I’d guess they’d fly in or take a limo.)
- It’s supposed to be electric — above train or part of the track below (meaning lower profile?)
- How will it sit on the land — in trench, or above ground, and how will it be fenced in/walled off?
- What are predicted operating expenses?
- Ownership is “flexible.” The DOT now owns it but that could change, it could be federal, state, private, and/or a combo, and if so, what is impact on land acquisition if a private project?
So there’s a little to think about before the meetings tomorrow and Thursday evening! Be there or be square!
Found in Finance & Commerce:
Zip Rail backers hope to lure private funder
By: Cali Owings June 5, 2014 3:03 pm 0
Passenger rail planners are narrowing down about 15 potential routes for a high-speed train between Rochester and the Twin Cities, aiming to capture the most riders and potentially pique the interest of a private funder.
The proposed train, known as the Zip Rail, would likely originate in downtown Rochester at the northwest quadrant of North Broadway and Civic Center Drive – blocks from the Mayo Clinic campus and the Mayo Civic Center that just received $35 million in state bonding for an expansion.
But planners are still weighing options for where the trains will go when they arrive in the Twin Cities – the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport, St. Paul’s renovated Union Depot or both.
Though the recently completely Target Field Station in Minneapolis could serve passenger rail, it’s not under consideration at this point because it would be too difficult to bring trains through fully built-out parts of Minneapolis, according to Dan Krom, a project manager with the Minnesota Department of Transportation’s passenger rail division. He said the project aims to take as little right of way as possible.
The airport and Union Depot connections would serve one of the line’s core ridership groups – a portion of Rochester’s 3 million annual visitors, said Chuck Michael, project manager for the Olmsted County Regional Railroad Authority. Planners also are focusing on daily commuters, whose ranks are expected to grow as the $5.5 billion Destination Medical Center redevelopment around the Mayo Clinic gets underway, and on travelers from Rochester who would normally drive to catch a flight at MSP.
Understanding travel patterns and target ridership for the train will help market it to potential private partners, Michael said. Advocates hope to demonstrate that the baseline ridership could pay for the train’s operating costs and eventually generate income. The capital cost to build the train has been estimated at $1 billion.
“We think there’s a great potential on the private side,” he said.
Speaking of trains… BOOM!
April 30th, 2014
Photo provided by the City of Lynchburg, Virginia April 30, 2014.
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Platts confirms it was Bakken BOOM! crude oil:
CSX says 15 cars derailed from train in Virginia
The Bad Oil Boom: Crude Train Explodes in Lynchburg, Virginia, While Regulators Chug Along
This time it’s Lynchburg, Virginia. Don’t know where the train originated, what type of oil, but there is indeed a trend!
Video from News8000.com
Bakken BOOM crude oil MUST be DEGASIFIED before it is shipped, shipped by rail, shipped by pipeline, it must be DEGASIFIED before it goes anywhere, because the high gas content is what makes it dangerous. DEGASIFY now. How many more towns must burn before they DEGASIFY?
Here’s the DOT letter regarding degasifying:
And here’s the part that addresses degasifying the crude before transport:
Come on, DOT, how hard is that to understand? Bakken crude must be degasified before it goes rolling down the track.
From Common Dreams:
From Reuters:
From desmogblog:
Breaking: CSX Railroad “Bomb Train” Carrying Crude Oil Explodes in Lynchburg, Virginia
From the STrib:
Tanker cars carrying crude oil derail, catch fire in Lynchburg, Va.; buildings evacuated



